About Londoner Golf Club - Bangkok Thailand
Our Golfing Society
The Club belongs to members, who seek to play competitiveamicable environment, yet, “By the Book”. We are a non-profitable, golfing society, where good golfing fun is the number one objective of our events and a good score runs a close second; fortunately fun is much easier to achieve.
Our Annual Party is often cited as one of the most enjoyable events on our calendar!
Our members vary in golfing ability and we are a very sociable group of people, are mainly foreigners (although many have been here for a decade or longer and are unlikely to leave) and some Thai people; all are equally welcome.
We hold regular events, in which our members are welcome to join as often as they can / wish. Members’ guests and new members are also welcome to join us at these events, which are staged to enjoy the fun of a round of golf with like-minded souls. Although the majority of people do not know all (most?) of the Rules of Golf, we actively encourage development in this area.
There are events every second and fourth Saturday at Thana City (and Chuan Chuen) and Royal LadKrabang, respectively and we play either Medal strokeplay or Stableford. In the past few years the club has become very popular and we regularly have 40 to 50 players enjoyed discounted weekend rates.
Regular Event Prizes & Trophies
At each of our regular events, there are trophies for the overall event winners, plus those, who return the best score in each of the three flights: A (0-12), B (13-18) & C (19+).
In addition, we have 10 prizes, which usually consist of bottles of wine, whiskey, vouchers or balls, all generously donated by our sponsors. These are awarded to people, who win Technical Prizes (near pins, etc.). We do not have long drives, as these are generally won by a handful of people. At our events, you will not be awarded more than one technical prize, but you will be applauded for each achievement.
These are sent usually 2 weeks before every event, by email, to everyone on our database. Those, who wish to play and are active members (have a handicap and played in the last 6 months) can book online using our scoreboard. Those who are not active members or have guest can reply to the email and in return, they receive an email confirmation.
Members are expected to sign up by the end of Tuesday prior to the event, when we confirm members’ guests and new members, hence giving our members rightful (imho) first dibs.
With the exception of our, “majors”, [4-ball] golf groups are made up of golfers with mixed abilities. We do not believe in golfing elitism, but through our mixed groups, we do subscribe to an open and friendly atmosphere. If you want to play with the same three people at each event, you may be at the wrong club.
With an average turn out of 40+ golfers, there are always first and last groups, so we endeavour to move people up and down the running order, irrespective of their golfing abilities. We start simultaneously on tee boxes 1 & 10, so that all things being equal, our last groups will arrive at the Clubhouse at the same time. If you elect to play match play at one of our events, you will be in a late group by default.
Assuming that we have sufficient starting slots, members are welcome to invite guests to their events. Their guests will play with them and appropriately, are the responsibility of the inviting member for the day.
We welcome new members, although we expect that you will already have some ability to play golf, have a grasp of the Rules, have played on golf courses before and understand golfing etiquette. All will be made welcome and handicaps are awarded to players, who can meet our criteria after three events. New members are charged a one off joining fee of 1,000 THB for life membership which includes a club shirt and entitles them to free annual xmas meal.
When you arrive at the course for a Londoner Event, you are expected to register with our Duty Officer, who will alleviate you of a small match fee and will inform you of your group, starting tee and golf group members.
With such large turn-outs, the Club does not quite run itself, so we have a small team of golfing enthusiasts; some of whom play golf quite well to plan, prepare and manage our events. The committee team has the love and respect of the game in common and the enjoyment of our events by our members; we like to think that we are all very approachable, if you have suggestions or comments to make. You will find the names of our officers on another part of this site.
As well as making sure that you and your group members have an enjoyable round of golf, each of us has additional responsibilities. They are:
Sign in 30 minutes before the first tee time and arrive on the tee no later than 10 minutes before your alloted tee time
Before you tee off, write your Name, Handicap & Date on your Scorecard and exchange cards with another member of your group (who becomes your playing partner)
Count your playing partner’s shots and record them on their score card
Agree their score on each hole and record it on their scorecard before you tee off on the next hole (or as you leave the green on the last). Write your own score for each hole, after having agreed the score with your playing partner. If you cannot agree on a particular rule, play 2 balls and refer to the Captain on returning to the clubhouse.
Total the number of shots for both nines and the eighteen-hole total
Sign your playing partner’s card as Marker; check and sign your own card as Player; ensure that your card is clear and legible.
Hand in your card before you shower, so that scoring can be completed without your physical presence.
If you are in the last group, pick up our pin markers on your back nine, bring them back to the Clubhouse and hand them in with your scores
Do not let caddies touch anyone’s line of putt, or give, “free” drops or rulings
If taking relief, you must inform and agree with you marker first.
Always keep up with the group in front of you
We have three Majors each year; the Club Championship, Masters and The President's Cup. All 3 of these are two, one-day events, with the Major Winner decided on their aggregate score for both days. All three Majors constitute a weekend away, where both accommodation and golf are arranged by the Club. The Club Championship has both a Net 'Club Champion' and a Gross 'Scratch Champion'.
Winners of a Major receive a replica of the Perpetual Trophy, on which their name is inscribed for posterity. The Perpetual Trophies are kept at The Tenderloins Bar in Soi 33 2nd floor bar. Masters winners will also receive a special winners shirt to proudly display at future tournaments.
Qualifying games for Majors
For all majors you must have an active handicap having played at least 1 Londoner game in th last 6 months and also have played at least 6 order of merit qualifying Londoner events in the last 12 months.
Games played at the previous President's Cup, Masters or Club Champs weekends away count as 2 games each weekend assuming you play both rounds.
To qualify for The Masters, the 6 game qualifying criteria does not apply, but you must have won an overall competition or a flight or Eclectic, Order of Merit, Matchplay or Pairs, since and including the game constituting the first round of the previous years Masters. Previous Masters winners DO NOT have to meet the additional criteria of having won an overall competition or flight but have an active Londoner handicap having played in the last 6 months.
It is well noted we want to see worthy champions taking away the silverware and golfers that we can say “yes we have seen them supporting nearly all of our functions”.
Each year, we have a knock-out match-play between our members, for which the eventual winner receives a trophy. To be eligible you must have competed in a Londoner event in the last 6 months and so have a valid handicap. This applies at the start date and throughout the year.
For both of our regular courses, we have an eclectic competition, wherein we log every member’s best gross score on each hole. There are three flights (A, B & C) and the person from each of the three flights, with the lowest score at the end of our year, receives a trophy.
Every year, we play against the British Club and The Wanderers for the honour of holding the Cup for the ensuing twelve months
During play, it is the players responsibility to know the rules of golf, Londoner Local rules and local rules of the course and apply them accordingly in a fair manner. If as a player you are unsure about a situation or are in a position where you need to invoke a rule of golf, such as drop after OB or hazard or one of the local rules, always inform the marker of your card of your intention before play to ensure there is no dispute. Decisions are the responsibility of the player and his marker by following the rules of golf and local rules. No undue pressure should be placed on a marker or player and if any uncertainty arises play two balls, one from where the player thinks and one from the other. Then before signing cards, refer to the committee for a ruling. Both players then sign the card to confirm the correct procedure and score is entered. If there is still a dispute, the committee will make a final decision by application of the rules of golf and local rulings.
At the discretion of the organising committee, if conditions are considered too wet to be reasonable for normal play, they may declare and tell players to "lift, clean and place, through the green". Through The Green Definition: A description of the whole hole, excluding the teeing ground and putting green, and all hazards. This means you can mark, pick up and clean, replacing within 6 inches of the original mark, with no penalty, whether in fairway or rough. You may also be advised "closely mown areas only". This means the ruling is restricted to fairways and the first cut of rough only, including around the greens.
Rules of golf state for a ball to be embedded on the fairway it must be in it's own pitch-mark with part of the ball below the level of the ground. However, the ball does not necessarily have to touch the soil to be considered embedded, e.g. grass or loose impediments may intervene between the ball and the soil. Relief is extended to through the green. A ball that is embedded in it's own pitch-mark may be cleaned and dropped as near to the spot where the ball originally lay, but no nearer the hole.
Stones in bunkers
Stones in bunkers are movable obstructions and may be removed without penalty as long as it does not change the lie of the ball.
It is not felt there as a rule there are any usual situations at our current home courses, but may be encountered as an exception or at other courses. A player's ball comes to rest in a situation dangerous to the player, e.g., near a live snake or a bees nest' or Red Ants nest (i.e. not a single ant).
It is unreasonable to expect the player to play from such a dangerous situation and unfair to require the player to incur a penalty under Rule 26 (Water Hazards) or Rule 28 (Ball Unplayable).
If the ball lay in a hazard, the player may drop a ball, without penalty, within one club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest spot not nearer the hole that is not dangerous. If possible, the ball must be dropped in the same hazard and, if not possible, in a similar nearby hazard, but in either case not nearer the hole. If it is not possible for the player to drop the ball in a hazard, he may drop it, under penalty of one stroke, outside the hazard, keeping the point where the original ball lay between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped.
If the ball lay on the putting green, the player may, without penalty, place a ball at the nearest spot not nearer the hole that is not dangerous and that is not in a hazard.
If interference by anything other than the dangerous situation makes the stroke clearly impracticable or if the situation would be dangerous only through the use of a clearly unreasonable stroke or an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing, or direction of play, the player may not take relief as prescribed above, but he is not precluded from proceeding under Rule 26or 28 if applicable.
If caddies err on one occasion do not penalise but WARN the caddy, a repeat infringement will incur penalty.Reference by Captain to members, Pre-warn before game commences. We all know the caddy is there to carry your bag and they will err on some occasion, so please use this ruling with common sense and if in doubt play a second ball and seek a ruling in the club house from the captain.
Accidental Movement of a Ball on a Putting Green
Rules 18-2, 18-3 and 20-1 are modified as follows:
When a player’s ball lies on the putting green, there is no penalty if the ball or ball-marker is accidentally moved by the player, his partner, his opponent, or any of their caddies or equipment.
The moved ball or ball-marker must be replaced as provided in Rules 18-2, 18-3 and 20-1.
This Local Rule applies only when the player’s ball or ball-marker lies on the putting green and any movement is accidental.
Note: If it is determined that a player’s ball on the putting green was moved as a result of wind, water or some other natural cause such as the effects of gravity, the ball must be played as it lies from its new location. A ball-marker moved in such circumstances is replaced.
The society uses the internationally recognised CONGU handicap system. As such we will accept a CONGU handicap certificate from a recognised club or society which is not more than 6 months old and can be verified. This would include handicaps from both Bangkok Wanderers and the British Club. Once recognised, we require one qualifying game before you can participate in events. If you do not have a CONGU handicap, your first 3 qualifying cards will be used to determine your new handicap under CONGU rules. Once awarded you can then participate in events. Such cards will then count towards annual eclectic competitions.
Lapsing of and reinstatement of lapsed handicaps
Any member who has not competed in a Londoner event for a continuous six month period will have his/her handicap suspended. The handicap will be reinstated when the member competes in a qualifying event. The scores from the event in which the player has his/her handicap reinstated will be taken into account for the eclectic competition. We will also accept a returning members handicap if they have completed in a qualifying event having a current active handicap with the Bangkok Wanderers Golf club or British Club, except for majors.
Changes to handicap
As established international rules indicate, handicap changes are immediate following a handicap qualifying competition. It is the players responsibility to ensure such charges are known and declared at the next event. If you are playing within a day or two of the last competition please ask after the event for your new handicap. Otherwise, updates are available at the handicaps page of this site within a day or so. The only exception to this is where you play a competition over more than one day. The handicap change does not then take effect until the end of the competitions final day.
As recommended by the R & A therefore for all Londoner Golf Club events then the ruling as written…..
A player may obtain distance information by using a device that measures distance only.If, during a stipulated round a player uses a distance-measuring device that is designed to gauge or measure other conditions that might affect his play(e.g. gradient, windspeed, temperature etc.), the player is in breach of rule14-3 for which the penalty is disqualification, regardless of whether such additional function is actually used”
“Distance measuring devices may be used for the 2010 season and the sharing of any information relating exclusively to the distance obtained from such devises is permissible.However, we do not encourage, indeed, we actively discourage, the sharing of such devices as we believe this will hold up play; therefore, if you wish to try such a device,we urge you to be most considerate of others when so doing”.
As always competitors should agree at the commencement of a match their preference to complete the match in the event of a draw. You may consider;
Replay the game if time permits, or replay the 1st hole you started on and continue from there using the same stroke index for handicaps that you used for the match, or best number of putts on the putting green, or spin a coin.